Fitting the 4L80e into a range roverThis page will document the design and installation of a 4l80e to replace my long suffering 700r4 (4l60) in my Landrover Range Rover based kit car.
24/7/2007 My Own Design 4L80e conversion for the LT230After a careful search I've finally obtained my own GM 4l80e. Its a 1996 box from some big yank truck, came attached to a 5.7 Vortec engine which is nice.
7/8/2007First job was to cut down the old yolk, My new bi-metal bandsaw blade cut through anything like butter - very impressed.
Here's a couple of shots. My overall length is 30mm shorter than the marks adapters version. I'm trying to avoid cutting too much of the floor away to fit it in.
So as it stands now, the transfer box will need to go back another 40mm.
XX has provided me with photo's of the borg-warner transfer box, the front output flange is considerably shorter than the LT230 - which means the overall transmission length is considerably shorter. However, It would appear that you can only get it in one ratio (1.2) and I don't know how strong it is.
18/08/2007Now got the LT230<>TorqueFlyte adapter (frc5622) and also have welded the shaft together. Unfortunately I forgot to take a photo just before I welded it. The FTC5090 coupler shaft fits inside a recess that I machined 8mm into the end of the yolk. In order to give it more strength I machined a 16mm slot across the cast yolk, the idea is to create a "fish-tail" weld, in other words a greater surface area. Then I triple tig welded it. I have no idea if this will be strong enough, but the last one was welded also and it seems to have lasted and in theory this one should be stronger.
So here's where I'm at. I'm waiting for a 7" chunk of T6062 ally and a bush and seal in order to start on the actual adapter part now.
4/9/07Ally turned up, squared and centered one end of it - than sat down and started drawing it out. This is by far the biggest machining job I've taken on and I need the plan carefully as you can see it only just fits in the lathe and I need to make sure that I do each operation in the right order. The billet is at least 1" wider than when my late father made the current one in the same lathe - This is all self-taught, so fingers crossed.
Here's the design and the beginnings of the adapter:
29/10/2007Megasquirt guru James Murray has written code that turns a Microsquirt into a transmission controller, Its in alpha awaiting physical testing - but is a step forward that many people have been waiting for:
Click here for more info.
Which has given me a shove to get on with my adapter, so a couple of evenings work has got it looking more like an adapter. This is long tedious work, would take 10 minutes with a CNC setup!
1st December 2007Now the 440 is done and can actually spend my time working on my own projects, got the front half for the bush and seal completed today:
9th December 2007A few more evenings work, got the oil feed passageway shaped - it still more work to join it to the rear bushing.
Next job was drilling the holes to attach it to the back of the 4l80e. I thought this was going to be one of the easier parts. 6 bolt holes, 60 degrees apart - easy stick in the dividing table and spot them all through - not!
First problem: It's too tall to fit in the milling machine with a drilling chuck fitted, so after a few false starts I decided I would just centre punch the holes using a very short chuck and a custom made centre punch that fitted in that chuck. I then found out that one of the holes is 58 degrees round from the previous and two of the other holes are on a different diameters individually - which seemed really odd. Anyway I spent much time checking and then triple checking everything, not forgetting to index it to the oil feed passage.
I placed the dividing table on the pillar drill, which is less accurate than the milling machine, but the only way it could be done. Thankfully I got the holes in the correct location first time.
Next job was 6 threaded holes at the other end to attach it to the LT230 adapter, which was easier.
24th December 2007Adapter is now complete, you can see from these photos that I have duplicated the oil feed passage to the rear bushing in my own adapter.
Next step is to figure out what to do with the front propshaft. This is the standard range rover front prop, which has a 2" OD. It clears, but is very close. I could do with a 1.5 or perhaps 1.75" one really - does such a thing exist?
This is the solid prop used on some range rovers, the actual shaft itself is just over 1" (29mm). The widest part of the sliding joint is 1.75", which does clear.
7 Feb 2008 MK2 Adapter ShaftThis is my MK2 adapter shaft. The previous one shown above was running out of true. This was because I could only get about 8mm worth of "register" to push the two parts into one another. I couldn't get hold of another UJ type flange - But a friend had a Jaguar TH400 flange that could be adapted. The benefit of this approach is that each part can be replaced if they wear out, and I was able to press the output shaft into the adapter to get it perfectly square. The press-fit had 4 thou of interference and required 2 tons to press it in (cold), and the made from 4" OD EN1A steel bar.
I then welded around the end of the shaft and the turned it in the lathe so it fitted into the Jag output flange.
The only issue I had was running another bead around the other side of the coupler; a crack formed as quick as i welded it - not sure of the exact cause - i think the front weld will be enough, so hopefully this cracked weld wont matter.
This project is currently on hold because the 700R4 is still working OK. (typical isn't it!)
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